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samiamiam	Wynn tip sharing plan to protest Culinary role	Lead	[-]
Member Posts: 1002 (04/20/08 11:33) Soon to be former moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	When critics of Wynn Las Vegas' controversial tip-sharing policy filed an initiative petition this year to protect dealers against having to share tips with management, they thought they were uniting against a common enemy: Steve Wynn. Now, they find, an unlikely adversary has entered the fray. The 60,000-strong Culinary Union, representing legions of tip-earning casino workers up and down the Strip, has sided with Wynn and a few industry groups as they seek in court to derail the efforts of the International Union of Gaming Employees, a private advocacy group, to get either the legislature or voters to change state law to prohibit employers from requiring employees to share tips with certain other employees............. http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/apr/20/wynns-tip-sharing-plan-has-unexpected-friend-culin/ _____________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________________ The IUGE didn't understand what they were doing when they wrote the initiative, so it is so badly written that it won't work even for them. It will upset everyone else's tip arrangements and make for years of litigation over tips........................ http://www.culinaryunion226.org/tpf.asp?topfeature_id=29
kenodave	interview with Steve Wynn	#1	[-]
Member Posts: 530 (04/20/08 01:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	http://www.lasvegasnow.com/ Go to far right in 'video on demand' and scroll thru the topics. This is a 3 part interview.
newwynndealer	Great..just what we needed.	#2	[-]
Member Posts: 52 (04/20/08 03:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Now the Culinary Union is condemning this so called initative. Whoever created this piece of junk initiative(Wynnaccount) didn't even bother to consult culinary to see how it would effect their existing contracts. This has been our problem all along, we think of the here and now when we should be thinking 2 or 3 steps ahead. We are shooting our own feet here and we are running out of toes. No Encore transfers, 401 match is gone, no contract (what has been negotiated doesn't help us any), poor legal representation, and now this shoddy piece of legislation that has culinary upset at us. Come on guys lets move foward with strong leadership. There are some bright people out there with some new and fresh ideas. The people running this ship right now are in over their head. They did a good job organizing, but should step aside and let the others be heard.
wynnaccount		#3	[-]
Member Posts: 402 (04/20/08 04:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"Whoever created this piece of junk initiative (Wynnaccount) didn't even bother to consult culinary to see how it would effect (affect) their existing contracts." That statement indicates that you, at the very least, are confused. I would highly recommend that you research your statements before you publish them because you look like an idiot. For the record, I authored the original AB 357 (2007 legislature), not the "piece of junk initiative". In fact, the IUGE sponsored initiative language is identical to AB 284 (1995 legislature) sponsored by Assemblywoman Buckley. http://www.leg.state.nv.us/lcb/research/library/1995/AB284,1995.pdf "..and now this shoddy piece of legislation that has culinary upset at us." So you are willing to share your tips with non contributors to the pool because fighting against that has upset the Culinary? That is brilliant. "This has been our problem all along, we think of the here and now when we should be thinking 2 or 3 steps ahead." You Monday morning quarterbacks make me sick. Get off your fat lazy a… and do something positive to achieve your goals rather than critique. "There are some bright people out there with some new and fresh ideas." Until you demonstrate otherwise by posting factual information, I will consider you not one of those "bright people".
kenodave		#4	[-]
Member Posts: 530 (04/21/08 10:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You lost your employer match on your 401k's? Ouch. That's probably why Steve was so generous with Christmas gifts last year. That was all the money he saved on the 401K match.
ziggy		#5	[-]
Member Posts: 198 (04/21/08 11:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	That's probably why Steve was so generous with Christmas gifts last year generous? i don't know... i received an outdated hideous looking polyester running suit....... that was all, no $1000 dollar gift! i guess the target is in the numbers for bribes.. bribary? oh well...... Last Edited By: ziggy 04/21/08 02:32. Edited 2 times.
Brazen	Do you really think it's just the legislation...	#6	[-]
Member Posts: 586 (04/21/08 02:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Maybe Culinary is doing this to get more concessions from Steve Wynn and other casino owners? Did you ever think about that? When has this union ever been on the side of dealers? It seems that dealers have always been a bargaining chip for the Culinary, nothing more. How come this union has never attempted to organize the dealers? Wouldn't you think they want the dues? Is it possible that the leader of the Culinary and Wynn are working together here? I am not refering to the membership of the Culinary, but the leadership. The leadership is corrupt. I remember all the controversy during the Nevada caucus when the leader of the Culinary endorsed Obama over Clinton. As if it really mattered. Bill and Hillary were complaining about allowing the membership to vote in the casinos. As if it really mattered. You can't really brag about strength in numbers when perhaps half of your membership cannot vote because they are not supposed to be in the country in the first place. Yes, those porters and maids and cooks have very complex tip-sharing agreements that could be damaged by all of this. Last Edited By: Brazen 04/21/08 02:54. Edited 1 times.
ziggy	brazen	#7	[-]
Member Posts: 198 (04/21/08 03:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	unfortunately, brazen, i think, you are absolutely right! there it is on the table. .... cant fight the status quo? in the process.... probably not imediately..... perhaps in the very near future, when the TWU becomes many more casinos strong... just like the culinary had to start somewhere ... somewhere in the history of when they (the culinary union) began.... repeat in history, a slightly different picture, but still the same motive. do it! they are not sorry and neither should any las vegas dealer be. Last Edited By: ziggy 04/21/08 04:41. Edited 2 times.
Geffen Izlude		#8	[-]
Member Posts: 1747 (04/21/08 03:47) Mod Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Brazen wrote: How come this union has never attempted to organize the dealers? Wouldn't you think they want the dues? The reason is simple. When their union was first formed and contracts negotiated, concessions where made by the employers conditional that they would never, ever add dealers to their union. In the culinary world, tip sharing is common and acceptable. Sometimes required. When was the last time you ever heard of a bartender not getting "taken care of" by the cocktail servers? When was the last time a matre' d wasn't "taken care of" by the wait staff in a fine dining establishment? This law upsets those who are being "taken care of" by the recipient of said tips. They are worried that they will never "get a cut" because now it'll be voluntary, not a condition of employment. I can see where they have a beef, but these laws would only be applicable absent a collective bargaining agreement. That being said, if tip sharing is part of their agreement, this law wont effect them.
Brazen	Yes....	#9	[-]
Member Posts: 586 (04/21/08 08:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm well aware of how food service personal split their tips. But a waiter sharing with a busboy, and a cocktail waitress sharing with a bartender is sort of similar to a crap dealer sharing tips with a blackjack dealer or the guy dealing Pai Gow sharing with the girl dealing Bacccarat. My point was that the majority of culinary members are NOT reliant on tips for the lion's share of their wages. So I'm not sure exactly how dealers not wanting to share their tips with managment is such a threat to the Culinary Union, when again, most of their members are not reliant on tokes to pay their bills. Something smells here, and perhaps I am wrong, but I do believe that the Culinary leadership is no friend to the dealers of this city.
Geffen Izlude		#10	[-]
Member Posts: 1747 (04/22/08 07:48) Mod Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Brazen wrote: I do believe that the Culinary leadership is no friend to the dealers of this city. Your right they aren't your friend. The casino's are probably working with them to give them concessions IF they work against you.

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