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newwynndealer	Time for the Union to step up	Lead	[-]
Member Posts: 53 (05/08/08 01:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I hope our union representitves are present at the meeting of the people who are suspended at the Wynn. Hopefully everything will work out ok. Are our shop stewards present at all of the write ups and suspensions that have been occuring this week? I'd like to think we are getting something for all the hooplah we've gone through.
chopin		#1	[-]
Member Posts: 38 (05/08/08 11:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	what you are going to get is the opportunity to stay at the Wynn and make $50 grand when all the big play is moved to the Encore.
wynnaccount		#2	[-]
Member Posts: 402 (05/09/08 04:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	chopin wrote: what you are going to get is the opportunity to stay at the Wynn and make $50 grand when all the big play is moved to the Encore. A glowing example of: 1. A jealous person 2. A bitter person 3. A Union hater 4. A TL who is getting a pay cut under his senario Take your pick.
horn hi		#3	[-]
Member Posts: 276 (05/09/08 08:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Chopin wrote: what you are going to get is the opportunity to stay at the Wynn and make $50 grand when all the big play is moved to the Encore. ''A glowing example of: 1. A jealous person 2. A bitter person 3. A Union hater 4. A TL who is getting a pay cut under his senario Take your pick." Or maybe he or she is looking at the situation like most people not directly involved. If you think Steve Wynn is not going to push all of the big play over to the Encore, you are Crazy. I have said before, I don't agree with what he is doing, and I don't think I would work under those conditions. It would hard to be impartial. And I would not work where all the dealers hate all of the floor. Having said that, you get what you ask for. .
cardmechanic		#4	[-]
Member Posts: 63 (05/09/08 10:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	newwynndealer wrote: I hope our union representitves are present at the meeting of the people who are suspended at the Wynn. Hopefully everything will work out ok. Are our shop stewards present at all of the write ups and suspensions that have been occuring this week? I'd like to think we are getting something for all the hooplah we've gone through. Did the dealer(s) request their Shop Stewards? That would have been their first step. However, if discipline was already determined (suspension) then a Shop Steward would not have been granted. Any "hearings" which may occur, a Shop Steward can be present if the dealers request them. The Union can not force anyone to be accompanied by a Shop Steward if they don't want/ask for them. I am sure the Union will do whatever they can to help those members who are involved, but it MUST start with the member conatcting the Union, and maybe they have.
cardmechanic		#5	[-]
Member Posts: 63 (05/09/08 10:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	chopin wrote: what you are going to get is the opportunity to stay at the Wynn and make $50 grand when all the big play is moved to the Encore. You can't tell a gambler where to gamble, rule number one. The minute you try is the same minute you lose a customer. If the player feels more comfortable at The Wynn, they will play at The Wynn. They may sleep at the Encore, but they will play where they want to play.
Geffen Izlude	Be carefull what you ask for	#6	[-]
Member Posts: 1764 (05/09/08 10:27) Mod Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	horn hi wrote: you get what you ask for. . We are oft to blame in this, - 'Tis too much prov'd, - that with devotion's visage, And pious action, we do sugar o'er The devil himself.
NoStinkinBadges		#7	[-]
Member Posts: 2100 (05/09/08 05:23) Dealer/TGS Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	That's about a year since the union was voted in at Wynn, no? So, where's the contract?
WillDeal4Food		#8	[-]
Member Posts: 31 (05/10/08 01:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Badges. You have to remember that it takes 2 sides to negotiate. The union will play by the rules. Management may or may not. The union has to give the casino every opportunity to negotaite in good faith. Contracts aren't decided upon overnight. Remember that Mr. Wynn's lawyers need to eat too. They wouldn't want this decided quickly.
cardmechanic		#9	[-]
Member Posts: 63 (05/10/08 03:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	NoStinkinBadges wrote: That's about a year since the union was voted in at Wynn, no? So, where's the contract? I didn't think I would have to explain to someone who is so well informed and educated as NSB, but as I posted in another string: FIRST CONTRACTS will always take awhile to negotiate. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out why, but you do have to have some common sense to understand. Once the first contract is secure, all subsequent contracts will be negotiated in a very short period of time because they will be based on the language of the first contract. How long did the Culinary members go last year without a contract? But they DID have a previous contract to build off of now didn't they. One must consider the logistics of negotiations. First, scheduling 10-15 people who have professional responsibilities other than contract negotiations must be coordinated. Many of these people are coming from different areas of the country as well. Then proposals must be submitted by both sides. Then both sides must read and agree and/or submit counter proposals. Then counters must be countered. And how many proposals are we talking about? Dozens from both sides? Everything must be covered in a contract. But then again, both sides could do a rush job so that the contracts are lacking and people can then critisize them for doing a poor job and say that the contracts are terrible, which plays right into all the anti-union people's hands. Now that would be real bright. Either way, legislation or a FIRST CONTRACT will take time. But the difference is if dealers wait on legislation they can lose many things such as their tokes in the meantime, whereas if they choose to organize they LOCK IN what they have until a contract is negotiated preventing any further losses.
cardmechanic		#10	[-]
Member Posts: 63 (05/10/08 03:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	newwynndealer wrote: I hope our union representitves are present at the meeting of the people who are suspended at the Wynn. Hopefully everything will work out ok. Are our shop stewards present at all of the write ups and suspensions that have been occuring this week? I'd like to think we are getting something for all the hooplah we've gone through. To your possible dismay New, the Union has gotten the only dealer who contacted them about this incident their job back. The other dealers have not been in contact with the Union as far as I know. As for the Floor, well they are NOT in the Union and have been fired. I also know that the Union has gotten several dealers their jobs back over the last year with only one exception. The one who didn't get their job back...well they took the situation out of control on the casino floor in front of customers and with management. A losing battle. You see, the Union can not get back everyone's job, some people are just beyond help.

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