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        <![CDATA[ Hi... this is my first ever post here although I've enjoyed reading this forum for a LOT of years.I see this happen all the time and was just wondering what the proper procedure is...... someone folds there cards before it's their turn.  Why doesn't the dealer muck the cards and caution the player not to fold out of turn, rather than leave the cards in front of the player until it really is their turn... giving them the option of changing their mind. ]]>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Folding out of turn ]]></title>
			<link>http://thedealerslounge.yuku.com/reply/32699/t/Folding-out-of-turn.html#reply-32699</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ My personal opinion on all this talk about &#39;action out of turn&#39; can merely be summed up by stating that the words &#39;substantial action&#39; need to
be defined and learned inside and out before making such a decision on things like actions out of turn. Furthermore, the reason this needs to be taken into
consideration is to determine if this player has caused anything to happen behind them. If someone on the table is influencing what others do by acting out of
turn then the decision... ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Folding out of turn ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ A hand can not be declared dead when it has been &quot;folded&quot; out of turn.  Folding requires action on a player's part.  That player cannot intiate action until the action is on them, therefore, they cannot fold their hand.  <br><br>The only way they can kill their hand when the action is not on them is to throw it into the muck pile, onto the floor, or into another players hand.<br><br><br><br> ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:12:35 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Folding out of turn ]]></title>
			<link>http://thedealerslounge.yuku.com/reply/3026/t/Folding-out-of-turn.html#reply-3026</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ if cards are folded and go over the dealer line while game still in play then cards would normerly be deemed as a fold or as the other posters would say they would be reminded of the rules about folding out of turn or if the cards touch the muck cards then their cards are dead no retreavil ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:19:43 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Folding out of turn ]]></title>
			<link>http://thedealerslounge.yuku.com/reply/3025/t/Folding-out-of-turn.html#reply-3025</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ That's clearly a different situation than what we've been discussing.  In that case, it's irrelevant. ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:47:54 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Folding out of turn ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ we are just going to have to disagree on this.<br><br><br>on a side note, the OP Private messaged me and explained the whole scenario and it wasn't really a player mucking out of turn.<br><br>the scenario was at showdown.  3 players in the hand.  One is all-in and there is a side pot. 1 Player in the side pot turns over his cards.  Now the all in player tosses in his cards facedown (before the other player in the sidepot does anything)<br><br>I have never seen a dealer refuse to muck the... ]]></description>

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			<author>feeds@yuku.com (Psand)</author>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:34:54 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Folding out of turn ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Well, I work in and have always played in cardrooms where that policy is in effect.<br><br>If action out of turn is only binding under certain circumstances, then how can a player fold their hand out of turn, unless those circumstances have been met?? ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:54:10 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Folding out of turn ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ No I'm not pulling cards out of the muck.  In the other thread I'm not killing a hand merely because it touched the muck.  There is a world of difference between in the muck and touching the muck.<br><br>Personally I don't think your approach here to the premature folds are inappropriate.  It would be perfectly acceptable to me to leave the cards where they are until the action is on that player, however I have not met a floorperson or manager who would agree with that policy.  So as a... ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: Folding out of turn ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I disagree.  Action out of turn is not binding.  I remind the player to please wait his or her turn, and indicate where the action actually is.  The player's hand is not dead, and when the action actually gets back to them, their &quot;fold&quot; is not binding.<br><br>While I leave the cards where they were (as long as they didn't touch the muck, or other players' cards), but, I will pull them into the muck the moment the action is on them, unless they have grabbed them back.<br><br>If they... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:47:43 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[ The dealer should take the cards and warn the player.  However keep in mind that if the dealers attention is on the left side of the table where the action is he may not see player in the 9 seat toss his cards in. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Hi... this is my first ever post here although I've enjoyed reading this forum for a LOT of years.<br><br>I see this happen all the time and was just wondering what the proper procedure is...... someone folds there cards before it's their turn.  Why doesn't the dealer muck the cards and caution the player not to fold out of turn, rather than leave the cards in front of the player until it really is their turn... giving them the option of changing their mind. ]]></description>

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