Dealers Tokes

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (seanof30306) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:01:01 GMT

Whether there is one union cardroom in this country, or one hundred, or one hundred thousand is irrelevant. We are discussing union cardrooms. All you have to do to be right is to provide an example of one room that is union that does not pool tips. If you can't provide one, then you are wrong.

You're the one who tried to prevail in this by insisting that whether whatever union cardrooms there are pool tips or not has no relevance in a discussion over whether union...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (Psand) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:02:05 GMT

Oh and I spoke with a friend today, a former Mohegan Sun employee who assures me that Mohegan Sun Poker dealers kept their own. So much for your insistence that it CT. requires tip pooling,

By the way, have we established how many union cardrooms there are? you insistence that I need to name one that doesn't pool tips (which remains a silly argument by you) seems to suggest that there is a significant number of union cardrooms. Other than the Detroit rooms I am not aware of...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (happyinWA) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:16:23 GMT

What about Motor City? I have no idea if they pool tips or not, but they are union. Perhaps someone on here can verify one way or the other as to what they do up there ......

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (seanof30306) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:55:00 GMT

Psand wrote:
Your insistence that i need to p[rove that there is a union cardroom where dealers keep their own to be correct about my position makes no sense.

My position never was "there is a union cardroom where dealers keep there own."

You made the statement that "The whole point of unionizing is solidarity; of giving up individualism to have the power of the group. Dealers keeping...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (Psand) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:52:54 GMT

Your insistence that i need to p[rove that there is a union cardroom where dealers keep their own to be correct about my position makes no sense.

My position never was "there is a union cardroom where dealers keep there own."

You made the statement that "The whole point of unionizing is solidarity; of giving up individualism to have the power of the group. Dealers keeping their own tokes flies in the face of that philosophy."

And my position...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (seanof30306) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:49:18 GMT

Psand wrote:
As to the Compact this is the best refernce I have been able to get. Though it was the proposed Compact, I have found no reason to believe...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (DQPaulieS) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:31:05 GMT

seanof30306 wrote:
As far as the compact is concerned, I asked a friend who was a shift manager at The Mohegan Sun prior to their closing their poker room in 2003 (It has since reopened, albeit with PokerPro tables). According to him, Mohegan Sun pooled tips, as Foxwoods does, and they did so because the State requires all table game dealers to pool their tips as an anti-corruption measure. As far as the State of Conneticut is...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (Psand) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:49:19 GMT

As to the Compact this is the best refernce I have been able to get. Though it was the proposed Compact, I have found no reason to believe that is is significantly different from the current compact. You will...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (seanof30306) — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:09:27 GMT

Psand wrote:

Cocktail waitresses are not poker dealers. There are numerous poker rooms in this country where the poker dealers are required to be members of a union to work there. Whether they pool their tips, or not, is absolutely, 100% relevant to the question of whether unionism and pooled tips go hand in hand in the poker industry. Please provide examples of poker rooms which are union, and which do not...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (Psand) — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:45:25 GMT

Cocktail waitresses are not poker dealers. There are numerous poker rooms in this country where the poker dealers are required to be members of a union to work there. Whether they pool their tips, or not, is absolutely, 100% relevant to the question of whether unionism and pooled tips go hand in hand in the poker industry. Please provide examples of poker rooms which are union, and which do not pool tips, which would validate your position, or concede the point....

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (seanof30306) — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:47:47 GMT

Cocktail waitresses are not poker dealers. There are numerous poker rooms in this country where the poker dealers are required to be members of a union to work there. Whether they pool their tips, or not, is absolutely, 100% relevant to the question of whether unionism and pooled tips go hand in hand in the poker industry. Please provide examples of poker rooms which are union, and which do not pool tips, which would validate your position, or concede the point.

You know, I'm...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (Psand) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:09:19 GMT

So, let me get this straight. Whether poker rooms that are already union pool their tips or not is irrelevant to a discussion of whether unionized poker rooms pool their tips, or not?

Not at all. However one can not extrapolate from the practice of a few union cardrooms that the practice of pooling tips is inherently part of unionization.

Anyone who does spend any time in a poker room knows there is normally resentment towards the...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (seanof30306) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:01:59 GMT

Psand wrote:

seanof30306 wrote:

I'm not suggesting I think pooling tips is a good idea; I don't.

What I am saying is pooling tips is one of the primary selling points of union organizers. We had one coming into my room a few years back. He used everything he could come up with to try and convince people to unionize; race,...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (Psand) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:10:16 GMT

seanof30306 wrote:

I'm not suggesting I think pooling tips is a good idea; I don't.

What I am saying is pooling tips is one of the primary selling points of union organizers. We had one coming into my room a few years back. He used everything he could come up with to try and convince people to unionize; race, gender, etc., but the argument he made most forcefully was how "unfair" it was that...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (seanof30306) — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:20:11 GMT

I'm not suggesting I think pooling tips is a good idea; I don't.

What I am saying is pooling tips is one of the primary selling points of union organizers. We had one coming into my room a few years back. He used everything he could come up with to try and convince people to unionize; race, gender, etc., but the argument he made most forcefully was how "unfair" it was that a few dealers made so much more than everyone else.

As one of those few, I...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (Psand) — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:09:22 GMT

There are a whole lot of Union cocktail waitresses who don't pool tips in this town, as well as other service people who rely on tips and don't pool. Sure they may have to share a portion of their tips with support staff (ie.e waiters tipping out busboys, cocktail waitresses tipping out the barstaff) but they still don't pool among themselves and in many casinos they are union.

And I can't speak for everywhere, but in Vegas tip pooling would not benefit a single...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (seanof30306) — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:42:49 GMT

Psand wrote:

seanof30306 wrote:

Psand wrote:

Quote:
But, since you guys are Union, you probably have to pool the poker tokes??

There si no reason that a union...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (ellen4441) — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:08:59 GMT

My previous casino (in California) got sued by the dealers, cause we were forced to pay $2.50 an hour in tips towards the house.
And the dealers won the class action suit. I already had moved back to NJ, but received a check for about $2200.00 (after taxes)
Apparently, there was some sort of California law that it was okay for the casino to take a cut, but not if it was going towards paying managment.
Not sure what your laws are in Topeka, Kansas.

I agree with...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (Psand) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:49:33 GMT

seanof30306 wrote:

Psand wrote:

Quote:
But, since you guys are Union, you probably have to pool the poker tokes??

There si no reason that a union contract could not specify that dealers keep their own.
The whole point of unionizing is...

Re: Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (seanof30306) — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:03:32 GMT

Psand wrote:

Quote:
But, since you guys are Union, you probably have to pool the poker tokes??

There si no reason that a union contract could not specify that dealers keep their own.

The whole point of unionizing is solidarity; of giving up individualism to have the power of the group. Dealers keeping their...

Dealers Tokes

feeds@yuku.com (martman300) — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:32:30 GMT

I have seen dealers "cry" about the tokes & being "stiffed" or shortchanged.

I think it was psand that said dealers should appreciate whatever tokes they get.

As a player I agree.

I play mostly 1/2 NL as the players are easier and there is usually more money to be made than our larger 2/5 games.

I am a regular and toke "string style" $2 or $3 a pot if it is of any size, otherwise it's a buck. Tonight I promised a green if I got a...